Sunday, June 21, 2009

LDP Puchong Jaya Interchange: Major crack line found

Update on 23 July 09
This blog has been mentioned in the Star newspaper.

JKR, LLM and Litrak has paid great attention on this issue, which deserve a big applause.

One important information provided by Litrak's Engineering Department Senior Manager Mr Dass is that those numbers marked on the soffit are crack length instead of width. After examining all photo in my record, I found that it's true. Therefore, the crack width description and extrapolation posted before should not establish. To avoid misleading those who do not read the comments below, those incorrect words are now formatted with bold red font as caution. No wording has been changed.

I sincerely appologize of providing incorrect approximation of the crack effect.
Anyway, the excessive amount of cracks at flexural-sensitive area are still serious.

I still can not be comfortable with the statement "the cracks were most probably due to shrinkage, and that these were only hairline cracks" especially with the existence of word "probably". Didn't the Consultant advice on the root cause of crack? Are those painting works done in these few days part of Consultant's instruction?

Please don't put me under the spotlight. You know what is the impact of this to a poor layman. Anyway, you do not need to convince me alone. I believe that your Consultant can help you to explain everything professionally to the public.

Older post:
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Structure: Lebuhraya Damansara-Puchong, Puchong Jaya interchange (Exit 1114)
Affected: Puchong residents (335,419 population)
Owner/ Management: Lingkaran Trans Kota Sdn Bhd
Design, supervision, construction and commission: Gamuda
Problem: Crack lines at bridge soffit
Corrective action: To Conduct Condition Assessment on Bridges Located along Lebuhraya Damansara-Puchong by Evenfit Consult.

Photo link from Litrak.com.my











Major crack lines found underneath the bridge!
I bet that not much people take this seriously (except the concessionaire) although thousands were using this bridge everyday either through the top or passing underneath it. The possible reason is that these defects do not causing anything fall down (yet).



















The crack locations and widths are summarized in this figure. There are 2 rows of bridges running parallel throughout that supported by abutments at both ends , and 11 rows of piers in between.

For clarity, each space between supports (span) are labelled and colored. The U-turns and roads underneath the bridge are shown as well. From here, you can see how lucky was the owner that all defected parts are just nicely not above the road. That's why this issue were never brought up to newspaper.


















Let's see some pictures taken on 21 June 09.

At 12th span, the whole stretch of soffit cracks. The crack lines have been filled by something by bridge repair company that makes them so obvious.



















12th span: You can see the
crack width marked by the bridge repair company. One of them is 1.5mm


















11th span: The crack lines in 11th span are spreading out from its mid span and they are not as widespreaded as the end (12th) span.














11th span: The bridge on left hand side














10th span: Crack width 2.1mm














10th span: Except these funny marks that doesn't looks like structural crack, I couldn't see any crack line marking here. I also can not find any crack line by nake eye through 4m height distance. But, please help me to remember that this span does not crack on 21 June 09, this information could be useful one day in the future.


















5th to 9th span: Nothing special found














4th span: Some more crack lines found and they are "still young" compared with others.














4th span: Crack width 1.25mm














Before showing you some even more suprising pictures, please allow me to share some information on how may a civil engineer look into the cracks.
The easiest way to assess the seriousness of this problem is to compare the crack width with the allowable one in the code of practice --- it is 0.3mm

So now you see:
0.3 vs 1.5 (12th span), 2.1 (10th span) ---- 5 to 7 times the allowable crack width.

What does it means?
The reinforcement steels are now exposed to corrosion. After sometime, when the reinforcements cross sections are largely rusted to the extend that the remains are incapacle to withstand the tension force anymore, they will yield, or just snap off.

Not serious enough?
Let's go further down. This may need some effort to understand.

Steel elongation limit: There's a requirement on the steel bar elongation limit. For high yield deformed bar (don't bother with this jargon, just treat it as steel bar), the first limit is 0.2% and the fatal limit is around 12%.

The 0.2% elongation indicates a point where the strain is permanent. For example:

-You pull a 1m long bar to 1.001m (the elongation is 1mm, the strain is 0.1%) then release, the bar shrink back to 1.000m. The strain is not permanent.

-You pull the same bar to 1.005 (elongation = 5mm, strain is 0.5% which is exceeding 0.2%) then release. The bar does not shrink anymore or just shrink a little, e.g. 1.004mm or 1.0045mm, which is permanent. Once you apply the same force to it again, it will go further.

If you keep pulling the 1m bar to 1.12m (12%), the necking will appear and prepare to listen to a big bang sound --- the steel snapped.

Where are we now?
We have gone through some critical requirements. So, what is the steel elongation of the bridge? Is it less than 0.2%, between 0.2% and 12% or has already exceeded 12%? Please allow me to do some pluck-from-the-sky since I can't count exactly how many crack is there:
-Assume the 12th span is 30m (believe me, the owner prefer me to assume it as long as possible for the following calculation)
-Assuming there's 300 cracks across the span, each of them are 0.5mm (compared with 1.5 shown in the figure, I've discounted alot)

Then, elongation of the bottom bars is now 300*0.5 = 150mm
Strain = 150/30000 = 0.005 or 0.5%, Oops, these bars are now on the way to the hell (>0.2%). Every overloaded truck passing on top of it will induce additional elongation to it, no return.

Let's see more photos:

The 1st span: before you proceed to the next photo, please guest the crack width...














The 1st span: DALANG!!!! It's 8.65mm!

Say there's 100 cracks with average width of 3mm, and the span is 30m, what is the strain now? (10%)

How about assuming 4mm crack width? (13.33%, fatal)

How about the span is 25m instead of 30m? ...

How about....


















So, why this bridge is still standing?
Because, it is not solely rely on the reinforcement. Supposingly, this is a post-tensioned bridge. The tendons may still playing their role on sustaining the bridge from breaking down, but they are now unable to sustain the bridge from crack badly.

By assuming it as a post tensioned bridge, the following may be the reasons causing these crack:
1) Underdesign
2) Underprovided prestressing force
3) Inappropriate input of design parameters e.g. material properties, creep coefficient.
4) Out of tolerance in construction
5) Act of god (most of politicians like this one)

Some other defects:

The 1st span: The exposed bottom reinforcement to be patched


















The 1st span: Some more exposed bottom reinforcement to be patched














So now comes to the final question: is it safe?
It depends on who say it.
For me, I will try to avoid using it for this moment.
For the owner, it is subject to the appraisal report of the bridge repairing company.
For the bridge repair company... I can feel that they are now like a sardin between their paymaster and the public. I hope that they are able to convince me to use the bridge again.
For the politicians... I don't know. But I recalled the MRR2 series in my mind now.


66 comments:

  1. Who designed the bridge? Gamuda must have charged him indemnity terribly.

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  2. Zoom closely to those black-colored crack lines, you may be able to see some nipples underneath.

    There are at least 2 nipples in each crack line. One is the inlet and the other one is outlet for the bridge repairer to pump in some kind of filling material. Those black-colored lines might be epoxy for concealing the crack.

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  3. well, the bridge won't collapse. concrete is a GOD give material which will give a warning before it has catastrophic failure. it appears more to serviceability failure rather than ultimate failure. this incident mainly due to lack of supervision of materials and workmanships problem rather than design issue. for your information, the factor of safety adopted for a public bridge or infrastructure is 20 to 30. most of the bridges failed due to geotechnical problem such as foundation settlement, embankment movement and tilting of pier due to uneven settlement. due early stage of construction, I personally observed there is insufficient concrete cover to the steel reinforcement, as the soffit after striking formwork appears to have excessive honey comb. the contractor take for granted - i believe they just path back with un-equivalent material. GOD will testify their ACT and they deserved a punishment from GOD - not us - Public Innocent People.

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  4. I sincerely hope that it was all honey comb's fault. If so, it is repairable.

    I'm quite sure that those funny marks at 10th span were caused by honey comb patching as you witnessed. But its hard to be convinced that those cracks at flexural sensitive area, e.g. end span, mid span, approach are caused by the same reason.

    Just recommendation. There's a lot of publications in Evenfit Consult's website, by Ir Ng See King. We may get the idea how much effort have him invested in local bridge management.

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  5. The cracks under looked scary.

    so, now, even if travel under is not safe!

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  6. hmmm.. at one glance.. one word popped out from my mind.. "Corruption"

    Corruptions comes in many forms nowadays..
    It doesn't have to be the contractor 'receiving' money direct.. but rather.. they 'reduce' the quality of their work in order to save some moneys or to 'earn' a little bit more.

    All the problems with cracks and honey combs.. in my opinions are a matter of the quality of the materials they used. Also, the labour they hire to do the job. The cheaper the labour, the more 'interesting' output of the outcome will be.

    Due to the economic slumps.. I think more and more of this problems will arise. A never ending circle.. until we all start to change our mindsets. Then again, that is as good as 'never'.

    Dennon Low.
    www.groan.co.cc

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  7. gosh..1st ofall i did notice that and thought that was some stain from the raining water...no wonder why that obvious that cracks (so called stain)...but thanks for your information bro..

    best regards,
    Jack

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  8. my cousin works at gamuda i told her this blog and she forwarded to her boss and now checking with litrak

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  9. Hi everyone...
    I just saw people taking photo this morning at 9.30am and just now when i go for lunch and pass by at around 2.15pm-2.45pm i saw a group of people painting it...so is that a solution??

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  10. Walau, is that meant that i am paying RM1.60 to risks my life, coming back to Puchong...

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  11. What the heck!!!! i live next door and ussually walk underneath this bridge for a bite occasionally...dude man...yikes,,,

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  12. the authorities concern must conduct site monitoring hourly/daily at this particular location. Otherwise install cctv camera and monitor 24hrs..

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  13. do u mean that install cctv to monitor whose the culprit taking photo over there? ;p

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  14. AnthonyLKK, please update us if you got any update. So that we don't need to guess so much.

    Vincent, if I were the boss and I heard of this bloody blog. The first thing I would do is to cover up the 8.65mm crack width marked on the soffit.

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  15. WTH...

    REPAIR THE BRIDGE LAR!!!

    Before anyone died in pancake style, crushed-down by the bridge...

    U guyz better take ACTION !!! >,<

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  16. Concrete has poor tensile strength. It is the steel which reinforces it.

    As explained above, once the steel has elongated beyond what is allowable (yield strength) it is weakened. If this happen, any repairs are merely cosmetic.

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  17. The bridge design seems like a typical box girder. It could be precast or cast in-situ. If cast in-situ, certain length could be cast at one time (ie reinforcement is jointed between girders). If precast, the segments are discontinued just like lego pieces and will be joined or hold in place by prestress tendon, not the reinforcement within the segments. If the second case is true, then the cracks could be due to a few factors such as insufficient nominal reinforcement, inproper curing that caused thermal shrinkage etc. If the first case were true, then it may be caused by insufficient prestressing.

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  18. gamuda is the buildoss contractor...they think they are good in al aspect. rite now, they running double track project.

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  19. there is a microwave technology call Interferrometric which is applicable to monitor the vertical movement of the bridge effectively. Someone may asked RDG SUPPLY SDN BHD for more info about this technology.
    We must prevent any blooooody incident happen as we already foreseeing the dannngeeerrr...

    From: Hawk

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  20. They shouldn't cover those cracks up with paint. This will wipe up those crack width marking then the bridge repairing company can't monitor the crack development in the future.

    If I am the boss of Even Consult, I will not allow this to happen. But what to do since they are my paymaster?

    Unprofessional action. Malaysia boleh.

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  21. which location is this bridge in puchong? sorry, can't recognize the location in the pics..

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  22. I hardly can wait for the repair works works...welcome jam, welcome wasted time
    oh, someone should tell someone that each additinal pavement layer is additional weight, someone correct me if I am wrong.

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  24. hi bolehlandconstruction, the Star decided to call your blog an ANONYMOUS blog ( http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/7/23/central/4371503&sec=central )

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  25. I'm kind of panic when reading this article from the Star:
    http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/7/23/central/4371503&sec=central
    JKR, LLM and Litrak has paid great attention on this issue put up some statements about the safety of the bridge.

    There's one big point claimed by Mr Dass that those marking on the soffit are indicating the crack length instead of crack width. After examining all pictures taken, I found that his statement is true. Therefore, all statements in this blog based on these numbers are not true. Anyway, the following points still have to be answered to comfort us:
    1) the pattern of crack that perpendicular to the bridge spanning direction doesn't match with so-called "shrinkage crack".
    2) All cracks occur at the flexural sensitive area e.g. end span, mid span. Chance is high that the crack is closed related to the flexural behavior.

    One more thing, please don't stop at the statement as published: "the cracks were most probably due to shrinkage, and that these were only hairline cracks." Mind the word "probably".

    The best parties to answer our query should be the EvenFit Consult and the Consultant who designed the bridge, not the owner. I am so keen to know their comments.

    I would like to apologize if this blog caused any inconvenient to all of you. Anyway, I feel so great to see so much people, as well as authorities and concessionaire are so concern about this issue. I believe that if the answer from the assessment is convincing, I'll be proud to cross over the bridge instead of feeling unsecured.

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  26. What can we say?? Malaysia Boleh ... to repair / patch all the lubang (your mouth also like a lubang...)...

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  27. They say they want to speak to you.

    http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/7/23/central/4371503&sec=central

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  28. Go see Litrak!! Power to bloggers!

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  29. Make sure if they want to speak to you, you engage it in public. We don't want to see another case of a person falling from a 14th floor

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  30. looks like crack, sounds like a crack, but it is not a crack.

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  31. I saw workers painting the cracks. Trying to cover the truth?

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  32. It happened when i pass by under flyover last night at 9pm

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  33. guys..so, all the Puchorians will facing the worst annoyed jam ever.Look out, the fastest way for working Puchorian who from KL or PJAY is via this flyover.
    guys,the developer will close this road for investigation and repairing.This could be for 6 months (remember the flyover nearby Selayang/Kepong during SAMI BELU dictator era?)..guys,u dont have any choice but JLN KLANG LAMA or USJ to get Bandar Puchong.
    ARGHHH......SATU MALAYSIA!!!!!!

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  34. "I sincerely appologize of providing incorrect approximation of the crack effect."

    If you aspire to blog a serious matter, kindly perform a greater degree of due dilligence before posting. Otherwise do it in academic discourse, check with expert and then post. If you have not kindly state very clearly in your blog that it is only your very crude evaluation based on visual observation only out of many test that is still not within your reach.

    Also do not include any statement which will sway the public perception on the severity of the problem. Even expert only dare to say the below statement after obtaining many evidence to convince them.

    "Anyway, the excessive amount of cracks at flexural-sensitive area are still serious."

    Further if you are for this issue, as responsible member of the fraternity please go see Litrak and get to know what are their findings and post your recommendation for the rest of us to evaluate.

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  35. I am not associated to any interested entity embroiled in this issue, but I am just irked by the fact that the unwarranted apprehension this blog has created for the public.

    I suppose there are more "technical sound" people leaving comments here than the number of public viewers viewing this blog.

    Can we just stick to discuss the technical discussion and not include any sort of big words here?

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  36. Dear Melati,

    Thanks for your comment. I hope you understand why I put "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" in the title of this blog. I got too little knowledge and resources to conduct so-called due diligence before posting. And I decided to put my poor apprehension onto the web that risking my life, and alarm you guys to take this suspicious issue seriously.

    That's a mistake to take crack length as width, which I never thought of. The way they marked on the soffit looks exactly same with the way I mark on my prototype in the lab. Thanks Mr Dass for telling us this truth. It has comforted us a lot. Anyway, the amount of crack and the crack pattern need explanation.

    The other fact is, those "technical sound" peoples are more likely keeping silent due to lack of information. Any statement put on here will probably risk their business and credibility without any benefit. The only "technical sound" people who have full set of design and investigation report have been mentioned a lot of time in this blog. I'm so keen to read that.

    The intention of creating this blog is to bring up suspicious construction issues based on "little knowledge" attainable by any outsider. The rest of information acquisition will be done by everybody who comments on it. You can see how much information has been improved along the discussion here.

    It should be technical discussion here. State your argument, provide facts, extrapolation based on limited facts, objection etc. Learn to be professional. This is needed for long run of this blog as I have more and more story like this Puchong bridge to tell you guys. Yes, they are still based on unwarranted apprehension and "a little knowledge", and risking my life.

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  37. Its fine by us really. Thanx for alerting us. Whether or not we're gonna heed the warning is another matter altogether.

    And you dont have to be all 'technical sound' to express yourself and be caring about others. If waiting for the all sorts of sound people to do the talking is the right thing, Malaysia wouldn't be in a state its in after 50 years of her Independence.

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  38. P/S: I live in Puchong Perdana and constantly use the interchange and I really appreciate this piece of information.

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  39. But we still need to use that bridge even it's crack!!Am I right? If really unlucky, then bye bye to the world lolx!!

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  40. Hi friends, just to share with you some information about "Shrinkage crack" which mentioned by the concessionaire. I would not draw any conclusion, you justify it.

    From wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete

    Expansion and shrinkage
    Concrete has a very low coefficient of thermal expansion. However, if no provision is made for expansion, very large forces can be created, causing cracks in parts of the structure not capable of withstanding the force or the repeated cycles of expansion and contraction.
    As concrete matures it continues to shrink, due to the ongoing reaction taking place in the material, although the rate of shrinkage falls relatively quickly and keeps reducing over time (for all practical purposes concrete is usually considered to not shrink due to hydration any further after 30 years). The relative shrinkage and expansion of concrete and brickwork require careful accommodation when the two forms of construction interface.
    Because concrete is continuously shrinking for years after it is initially placed, it is generally accepted that under thermal loading it will never expand to its originally placed volume.

    Shrinkage cracking

    Shrinkage cracks occur when concrete members undergo restrained volumetric changes (shrinkage) as a result of either drying, autogenous shrinkage or thermal effects. Restraint is provided either externally (i.e. supports, walls, and other boundary conditions) or internally (differential drying shrinkage, reinforcement). Once the tensile strength of the concrete is exceeded, a crack will develop. The number and width of shrinkage cracks that develop are influenced by the amount of shrinkage that occurs, the amount of restraint present and the amount and spacing of reinforcement provided.
    Plastic-shrinkage cracks are immediately apparent, visible within 0 to 2 days of placement, while drying-shrinkage cracks develop over time. Autogenous shrinkage also occurs when the concrete is quite young and results from the volume reduction resulting from the chemical reaction of the Portland cement.

    Tension cracking

    Concrete members may be put into tension by applied loads. This is most common in concrete beams where a transversely applied load will put one surface into compression and the opposite surface into tension due to induced bending. The portion of the beam that is in tension may crack. The size and length of cracks is dependent on the magnitude of the bending moment and the design of the reinforcing in the beam at the point under consideration. Reinforced concrete beams are designed to crack in tension rather than in compression. This is achieved by providing reinforcing steel which yields before failure of the concrete in compression occurs and allowing remediation, repair, or if necessary, evacuation of an unsafe area.

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  41. at least it got the attention of the JKR and other parties which had either shown concern, or after getting so much enquiries from the public to inspect the situation.

    I would suggest though to ensure you have the facts all right and well covered before making such huge and technical comments especially when the readers of your blog may not be just civil engineers. i meant when you say something is 'serious' or 'dangerous' kinda thing.

    it is hard to distinguish whether the blog entry was made by a layman or an engineer; with all the tehnical assesment and calculations done, and was sure enough to cause some poor souls to panic (JKR got so many concerned calls).

    careful bro next time with the words but it was very good for a head up! and to get the related parties working! cheers.

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  43. So has The Star spoke to you ?

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  44. Calculating strain & elongation of reinforcements just like what is presented here is not right. Crackwith are large at the concrete surface but very small at the concrete reinforcement interfaces. The photos cleary showed the cause of the cracks . It was due to corrosion of reinforcements due to lack of concrete cover and psossibly carbonation. Remedial works need to remove the rust by sandbalsting and also remove the carbonated concrete by high pressure water jet.. Need first to determine the depth of the carbonation. Add addtitonal reinforcements to cater for loss of x-sectional areas due to rusting. Shortcrete those exposed reinforcement until adequate cover is achieved. This type of cracks can be repaired easily and should not cause collapse. But remedial work need to be done fast and supervise by experienced engineer in the remedial work.

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  45. My friend, please check this:p

    Lecture-29-Calculations of Deflection and Crack Width
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5RA6XMOtuU

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  46. http://www.box.net/shared/qh8axgsahu. This picture shows the crackwidth is large at the surface and very small the interface of concrete and reinforcement. Calculations will also prove this characteristic.

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  47. I really appreciate this blog that brought up attention of relevent authorities and even though the information here is not most accurate, this exposed the problem before those who were paid to do their job.


    and no matter what, they cannot justify the cracks that should not be there

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  48. Immediate right action to remedy and repair the bridge is ver crucial and critical. It is because the next stage of deterioration will be concrete lamination and spalling.
    It may be dangerous to road users as the concrete laminates may fall on to the vehicles.
    Painting the bridge will just only slow down the process of deterioration. It will recur in a very short time at an exponential rate.

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  49. This demonstrated the design and built contract don't work in Malaysia.

    Just look at how many of the design and build contract have failed so far;

    1) The MRRII segemental box bridge in Kepong
    (Pier head crack and repair and crack and
    repair and crack ....) What happen to the
    contractor and his engineer who design and
    build this crap. Why are they allow to
    walk free...

    2) The design and built Stadium in KT where
    the metal roof collapsed. We are very
    lucky where nobody were killed. What
    happen to the contractor and the JKR
    officer in-charge?

    3) The fungus infected hospital in Johor?

    4) The recent leaking swimming pool in KT.
    Where open hardly one year and building is
    fungus infected and look abandon?

    5) The KL High court which was badly flood
    and caused many document damage?

    6) The immigration office in Putrajaya where
    few floor were flooded due to burst or
    substandard plumbing?

    And many many more such cases that were covered up....

    We must put a stop to this sort of crap project called DESIGN and BUILD CONTRACT.

    Let face it contractors are contractors, profit oriented. They will cost cut every where to increase profit. When you place designer and supervision under the contractor, these are the problems you will face, substandard design, poor supervision...

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  50. I just wonder..... what will happen next...?
    Jam Teruk without this fly over...
    Well, I`m lucky enough... I don`t work follow office hours...
    If not..... stuck in jam...

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  51. Well, after 50 years of indipendence.....look at us....still struggling through corruption,etc.
    Its about time people of Malaysia think of a change.....

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  52. The consultant who design and supervised the construction of the bridge told the Board Of Engineers " it look like the bridge is cracking, Design Calculation and tests showed that there was inadequate cover to reinforcements, I design and supervised the construction but It was just a minor cracks and the bridge is safe, I am not responsible for the cracks. Its God doing".
    Similarly that waht the consultant for the MRR2 and Ampang elevated Highway told the Board of Engineers(BEM). See yesterday paper. Mind you both the package 11, MRR2 and the Ampang Elevated Highway were designed by the same consultant. Theis consultant were the cronies of Samy Vellu. Watch out for DUKE and Interchange at the clock tower Subang Jaya to crack. This consultant should be in jail but the President of BEM said they dont have enough evidence till the bridge collapse and kill thousands of people

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  53. As a lady, in construction for 25 years, very sad to see all these. Anyway, it's shouldn't happened at this moment but it's always happended here.

    How?

    Looking at our country's construction site, how many skilled and semi-skilled labour are trained with certification? I am very certain, majority are foreign "workers" without any certificate, as long as they can perform all the hard works at site, they are allow to work at site. Because they are cheaper than local workers. Are they really cheap??? I'm very sure ,every construction site, at least 20% of the construction costs being transfer out from our country to others.

    Moreover, every construction site-the owner, consultants, main-contractor, sub-contractors,sub-sub-contractors, suppliers,etc All wants the lowest bid. At the end, what still remains? All they knows, after the defects and liability period, not their problems anymore!

    At this moment, I decided to stopped my career in this field because sad to see all these. I always stress the point- human integrity is important in our life; but today society.....very much deteriorate.

    Everything happen must have reasons.Hope Gamuda has the solution on this particular defected site. Only I can say, another dilemma to public.

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  54. Dear Anonymous who posted:

    "The consultant who design and supervised the construction of the bridge told the Board Of Engineers " it look like the bridge is cracking, Design Calculation and tests showed that there was inadequate cover to reinforcements, I design and supervised the construction but It was just a minor cracks and the bridge is safe, I am not responsible for the cracks. Its God doing". "

    Is this a real quote, or are you putting words into someone else's mouth? And would you mind referencing this quote if this is an honest claim?

    Do you actually know what went on, and how much do you actually know? This may be common knowledge, but there was actually a very thorough investigation carried out on the MRR2 cracks - every detail of the consultant's work has been looked through again and again, and that case is already done and over with. Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps it's really not the engineer's fault? The findings were carried out by a reliable foreign independent consultant, and made public. What other evidence would it take, and how many other professional opinions would it take to convince you that? Are you going to start labeling the independent consultant a "crony" as well?

    Did BEM actually say they do not have enough "evidence" to put the consultant to jail? This seems a very dubious claim. Perhaps you won't mind referencing this claim too?

    I'm sure the consultant for the MRR2 already had a very hard time dealing with the cracking issue. And it's over. It's not fair to drag them into this discussion, and it's very unethical of you to chasticize them for all their other work, when those aren't even completed yet!

    All civil engineers in Malaysia work very hard and very long hours to build all that you see around you. The pay is less than peanuts, the hours are longer than any other profession, the stress takes 10 years off our lives, and accountability is till our deathbeds. Believe me, no engineer goes to work thinking "how can i make this bridge less safe so that it'll collapse in no time and kill thousands of people?". I don't think anyone goes to work thinking about how they can go about doing a bad job.

    Regardless which job or which profession we are in, we do our best. In the case of engineers, we do our best to design as safely as is feasible. Did the MRR2 consultants get the job because they are cronies of Samy Velu? Perhaps. But that doesn't mean they are incapable of doing a good job. Every construction related company in the country "knows someone". But just because you "know someone" doesn't mean you're incapable.

    Just my 2c worth... but I think it best you look into your own conscience before making sweeping accusations and dubious claims about what you do not know. It's not ethical, and you're politicizing what is supposed to be a technical discussion. Moreover, it is an ugly thing to do, singling out an engineer who isn't even related to this LDP bridge!

    Fair play to bolehlandconstruction for discussing about the cracks. It's very kind of bolehlandconstruction to voice concerns and take the time to go there and take pics and take down records of what is visible. It's been a long time since I drove there, but if I used the bridge frequently, I'd be very concerned too.

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  55. The MRR2 case isnt over yet. I think the taxpayer wasted alot of money to engage the consultant to design, supervise the project. But the consultant didnt do their job. The evidence showed it was inadequate design and detailing. That was the conclusion from the international consultant.I understand at leat 90 litres of grout had to be pumped into the cracks of each pier. This showed bad supervision by the consultant.

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  56. Iloveu said...

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    Here got too much Anonymous. Can you guys just put down any nick name so that others can refer to your words easily?

    I'm touched by one of the anonymouses above telling the hard story of pity engineer in malaysia. Yeah, some of them were paid almost the same with skilled foreign worker. But please respect them on their competency, not hardship. Otherwise, the foreign workers deserve more. I have seen enough Esteem/Orion operator who comes with a degree qualification but can not draw a correct moment diagram manually... Be careful of engineers as well, just keep questioning them.

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  57. As laidback layman and not as much heroic as all the comments I read above (phew!)...

    1st I have to congratulate BLC..undoubtedly a very responsible citizen...may god bless..risking life! who dares? maybe "few good men"...but "few got BIG BOLAs" good..

    2.I guess maybe we need to have an independent body (which is really independent laah, i.e by public vote not by appointments from govt or politicians = team must have auditors, Irs, legal rep etc etc laah no JKRs, NO other govt or conflict of interest guys shld be in there).

    i.e Thus if anything like this happen, the independent team or we can name them (Construction CSI team - am nt talking like construction board) will nd to Quickly do details construction audit and reconstruct from day 1 of planning & see the actual documents & measurements of all parties up to completion works..and see where and who miss something than we'll know all answers for the sake of MALAYSIA...(dont have to wait for fatality to happen i.e in airlines for e.g once airlines crash theen only csi team go in & probe.., bukit antarabangsa sudah pii baru mau probe, sect 14 mall BAAAM! baru mau probe...ini sudah nampak itu punya crack no no dnt probe lets discusss discussss diiiissBAAAAM!cus cus cus..habih! etc. Probe teruss...(V V STRICTLY) baru many will obey rules...

    Others...we must at least see if not wanting to learn due to various reasons i.e i) HK hill slope magmnt, or even our ii) S'pore neighbour, or uk or usa etc for those who prefer them etc enforcements depaa etc sure apa gunaaa? kaaan)..

    we need to change mindset faast....learn from japanese to certain extent on work business ethics....i.e clear & transparents...

    e.g if you go to japan and want to buy e.g a car..the japanese seller or citizen wld even tell you that there's a small nut under your seat kaa or under your hood (that you cant even see with your bare eyes) is missing or he did fix...tthaaats is the level we talking abt...here am sory leee...here we have pple driving rm2million car but wth 1 old sen coin mind i.e hogging the right hand lane etc...ths the simplest example...

    ...WAKE UP MALAYSIA....NO ONE (incl govt) CAN DO ALL THE REFORM & TRANSFORMATION & REALIZATION ALONE...

    OOOOOoooppsss waiiiit!..Well for another sec tght...mmm forget laah this is Malaysia....bit too much of above ...dream wish list onlyleeeer...all will at the end be vicious cycle...??

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  58. i am surprised that this blog get the utmost responses and attention from the readers. this is not to cause any public panic on public safety issue. they paint the soffit of patched crack to further protect the steel reinforcement from corrosion due to water penetration and also for aesthetic reason. this is not the ultimate solution, but good enough to cover it for another 10 years or more before the BIG BOOM drop on the earth.... keep this blog as historical pages so that Malaysian won't forget what have the Government done so far to protect the public safety of her own citizen.

    I come across that the bridge suffered torsional buckling stress due to geometry design. Litrak should stop the traffic diversion during peak hours as traffic to Bandar Puchong Jaya is lesser compared with traffic to Shah Alam/ USJ direction. I found that such action has caused unbalanced loads to the curved bridge geometry as all vehicles are lined up on the right hand lanes during peak seasons. tell Litrak to stop the SMART traffic diversion on the bridge will relief the cracks appearance and propagation...

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  59. Our Prime Minister management always like this, we have to change our prime minister to avoid all cheatting works, they did not quality want,

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  60. It is another "ACT OF GOD" because He has been kind to cut-throats and co for 50 years.

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  61. Humor side about this blog: -

    My friend saw Ultraman fight Godzila at Shanghai... he suppose the bridge cracked after Ultraman fighting with Godzila. This is not ACT of GOD... it caused by Ultraman.

    Anyway, after the fight, the Ultra Bridge still hanging there... don't worry lah...

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  62. What that we can do? Tax payer monies already gone to someone pocket.

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  63. I tought the contractor got their ISO Standard?

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  64. Don't worry.
    Every thing will be alright because this happened in Malaysia.
    Malaysia Boleh

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  65. Apa tunggu lagi, act fast la! REPAIR it! tak kan tunggu jambatan jadi bubur ?!

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