Shrinkage crack means that it is not caused by applied load. Just fill cracks with epoxy to protect reinforcement from potential corrosion, then end of story.
Flexural crack means the bridge does not behave like what it's been designed for. It could means underdesign or nonconfirmity to technical drawing and specifications (position of strands, reinforcement, post-tension force applied in every stage, concrete quality...). A lot of people will be questioned, thousands of details are to be checked, hard decission making and then then following by a series of messy and expensive remedial works (or do nothing as well)
As we are only concern about safety of using the bridge, flexural crack may means:
1) The bridge is not perfect, but based on other favorable factors, it is still safe to be used.
2) It is a sign of unfavorable happenings.
All of us need some reliable answer now. How to get it? From the press statement? From this non-sense blogger's unwarranty information? Or from the Consultant's press statement? None of them in fact.
I would like to recall one powerful ancient method to ease your tension. This method has brought human to current level of civilization, even bringing human to the moon and Mars: Basic Scientific Method. Be prepared of squeezing your mind for the rest of discussion.
PART 1 – Observation through Hypothesis
1. Curious Observation
2. Is There a Problem?
3. Goals and Planning
4. Search, Explore, & Gather the Evidence
5. Generate Creative & Logical Alternatives
6. Evaluate the Evidence
7. Make the Educated Guess
Part II – Challenge through Suspend Judgment
8. Challenge the Hypothesis
9. Reach a Conclusion
10. Suspend Judgment
1. Curious Observation
2. Is There a Problem?
3. Goals and Planning
4. Search, Explore, & Gather the Evidence
5. Generate Creative & Logical Alternatives
6. Evaluate the Evidence
7. Make the Educated Guess
Part II – Challenge through Suspend Judgment
8. Challenge the Hypothesis
9. Reach a Conclusion
10. Suspend Judgment
This will be our basis of the following discussion. Anything that is not helping, e.g . emotional word dumping, 14th floor stories etc are strictly prohibited in the comments column. Put your comments here only if you find that is following the above 10 steps. Thank you.
Let me start first:
1. The curious observation is cracks found at Puchong interchange (and now also found at TTDI interchage, which has been painted, check it out).
2. Problem: What are those cracks? (shrinkage crack or flexural crack)
3. Final goal: Recognize the safety level of the bridge; Planning milestone 1: Identify type of crack; Planning milestone 2 to be decided after conclusion from milestone 1 is achieved.
4. Search, explore and gather the evidence.
4a. Hypothesis 1: Those cracks are shrinkage crack
Supporting evidence:
4a1: shrinkage cracks, therefore those cracks could be a shrinkage crack.
4a2: shrinkage crack is normal in concrete.
4a3: Somebody said it is shrinkage crack
Opposing evidence:
4a4: Plastic shrinkage occur within 0 to 2 days of placement, while those observed one occured after years after placement. So they are not plastic shrinkage.
4a5: Autogeneous shrinkage occurs also when the concrete is young. So those cracks are unlikely an autogeneous shrinkage.
4a6: Shrinkage crack does not show significant direction as observed. So, those cracks are not shrinkage crack
4a7: Gradient of thermal fluctuation at the side face of bridge is greater than that of soffit underneath. Thermal shrinkage is more likely to occur at the side face rather than concentrated at the soffit. Therefore, it is not shrinkage crack.
4b. Hypothesis 2: Those crack are flexural.
Supporting evidence:
4b1: Crack lines of a beam/slab under sagging moment are perpendicular to the spanning direction. The crack lines found are perpendicular to the spanning direction, thus they are flexural crack.
4b2: Flexural crack lines of a beam/slab under sagging moment start from the mid span soffit and spreading toward supports. The occurence under observation matches, therefore they are flexural cracks.
Opposing evidence:
4b3: Several crack lines doesn't occur perpendicular to the spanning direction, therefore they are not flexural crack lines.
5. Creative and logical alternative: would it be act of god? (sounds creative, but I can't elaborate more from this)
6. Evaluate the evidences.
>4a1: flexural crack also cracks, so those crack should not only be shrinkage crack
>4a2: flexural crack also normal in concrete, so those crack should not only be shrinkage crack.
>4a3:Somebody could say it as any other thing. The property of cracks is not based on who say it.
I have no objection about the rest of statements.
7. Educated guess (yes, you can question whether I'm educated or not, no problem); it is flexural crack.
8. Challenge the hypothesis. Hypothesis 1 and 2 are both counter-challenging already, I have no Hypothesis 3 to challenge anymore.
9. So, based on my little knowledge, I have no objection that those are flexural crack. (Legal defense notes: I do not have any intention of diverting or influencing anyone to believe in this statement or do any decision based on this statement. Please don't make me liable of anything, this is just purely an academic discussion, or an exercise of basic scientific method)
10. Suspend judgement: The following discussion about the safety level of the bridge can be done based on judgement of this discussion: those are flexural crack.
Buddies, now is your turn. Question those statement, provide more evidence, alternative theories, alternative hypothesis, alternative guess or alternative conclusion. Please be reminded again: no emotional words, no political words etc (ISA applied here). Just purely basic scientific method.
Soon or later, our god (government or litrak) will put additional steel plate or beam at the soffit of the beam and citizens of malaysia will applause what they have done and forget about it. litrak, due to the incurred cost, will negotiate with the government to prolong the collection of toll. perfect solution!
ReplyDeleteYour analysis is convincing. The relevant parties really have to study in deep on this matter. The bridge is reinforced concrete structure right? If the answer is yes, then the critical design criterion will be the crack width control and the deflection control at SLS for this long span bridge. The bridge now standing under plastic stage or elastic stage is something really interesting to be determined. Hope the relevant parties can let us know what is happening and assured us the safety of the bridge. Thank you for letting us know about the matter.
ReplyDeleteOh wow. So there are only two types of cracks, ever? Amazing. You'd think there'd be other reasons why cracks could appear in a structure.
ReplyDeleteThose cracks are hairline. Get over it. Get over yourself. You've lost. Ha ha ha.
man, what else crack can you tell this poor little-knowledge BLC? This guy got nothing to win la.
ReplyDeleteLet me help up a little bit. Concrete may crack due to compression too, but it is not likely to occur at bridge soffit.
I can't find any other type of crack in concrete anymore... please tell if there's any.
Aha, there's one more funny new-found type of crack introduced by ampang bridge's spokesman as "surface crack" several days ago.
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/7/27/central/4388247&sec=central
Then what? My 3-year-old also can tell that as a surface crack, not a internal crack. So as the hairline crack which looks like a hairline.
For engineer, it sounds non-sense
Please take some photos of the TTDI one. Don't go into too detail like the one you did in LDP. to go into detail you must know all the necessary information.
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